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"text": "This is great that you managed to enjoy yourself there and have pride throughout your family with the fact you worked there. But seeing those hours, I know I personally could never be happy there. I have so many interests outside of work, such a poor work-life balance induced by those long hours would really kill my happiness. The rumors of the crazy long hours is why I always turn down interviewing at SpaceX when I’ve had recruiters contact me. Your experience solidifies the rumors as reality and I know I made the right choice for me.\nThat said, again I am glad you’ve enjoyed your experience and thanks for sharing your thoughts!",
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"text": "I commend your effort and hard-work. However, I am extremely doubtful that 80 - 120 hours are productive. (I don’t just mean “you man not be happy” or “you may not spend time with your family but purely from efficiency POV). If you work that much, that means you do not have a healthy daily routine. How much do you sleep? How much do you rest? Are you able to be efficient when you work?\nThere is starting to emerge more research that working less time may actually produce more efficient results. I also have not seen anyone work more than 60 hours and be efficient.",
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"text": "It’s probably why several there are prior-military. There were a couple of deployments of mine where we had less than 4 hours of sleep a day for 2 weeks straight. We felt drunk most of the time, but when properly motivated you can move mountains. And everyone’s different of course as well. They had sleep pods set up for those who had long drives home after long days. Elon was famous for literally throwing down sleeping bags in a conference room on occasion. Again, when you’re having fun and you know what you’re doing is improving humanity directly everyday, the little things in life aren’t such a problem.\nWe take days off when needed to.",
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"text": "I wish to work in company of people like you…one day :)",
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"text": "I've done that sort of hours managing construction projects and software projects for a few weeks when approaching critical deadlines. With a good team and challenging work, I didn't even notice until HR called me in some weeks later to confirm my timecards, showing 132 hours in one week. They agreed from then on to only pay 100 hrs per week and bank the rest for after startup.",
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"text": "FUn as it may be, have you noticed the 80–120 hours a week is 40–80 hours a week you are not with your family/non-work friends? Kids need a dad or a mom. You seem like you are trying to normalize dysfunctionality. That is not normal and maybe you can swallow it for a few years but you’re not going to realize is that one day you may wish for those years back. There is no refund program. yeah, you think you changed the world. I raised my kids and loved my wife! I worked in aerospace and nuclear power for many years. I put in that kind of life. It was a blast, while it lasted but I noticed more and more as I got older, the most successful people at work had the worst lives outside of work. There are only 24-hours in a day and you should be working to live, not living to work.",
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"text": "They give plenty of days off. Elon and Gwynne not only of course observe federal holidays, but gives the whole company the ENTIRE 4th of July week off. Wish others were that awesome. The managers are so awesome if something came up with someones family, half the department if not everyone tries to help out. They go out of their way to allow people to take care of their family. The crazy hours aren’t exactly mandatory, its just part of the culture of loving what you do and wanting to get things done as humanely and efficiently as possible. Elon really isn’t joking about wanting to motivate everyone he can to want to be excited waking up everyday to achieve what we’re hoping to achieve.\nAnd I spent plenty of time with my kids. They’d love bringing in their other friends from out-of-town just to be able to visit too. My wife described how a personal private tour of the facilities at SpaceX was like visiting a NASA center but being able to go behind the glass and actually touch the rocket soot if you wanted to. My kids would say how surprised they were how dirty everything was in aerospace. Especially when I’d come home with RP-1 rocket soot all over the car. lol And they gave us a monthly stipend to pay to have our cars washed among other amazing benefits, all so we could focus on the work and not have to worry so much about the small daily details of life. They’d even have mechanic shops come and pick up our car to work on from the parking lot.\nThere probably are regular 40 hour day jobs at SpaceX. The hourly guys I knew were always thankful for the overtime. In fact, they’d sometimes have to ask some departments to hold back overtime requests when some projects were pushing budget limits. Most of the hourly guys were making almost as much and sometimes more than us salaried engineers. Which was fine, they deserved it. Love the freedom to be able to work as hard as you want.",
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"text": "People seem to think normal is better. In real life, normal is only easier. Aaaand it’s not actually “normal” to be normal in all areas of your life.",
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"text": "Some people just have the capacity to find meaning outside of their own happiness. You happen to be not one of them and he is. Nothing about your character or capabilities but differences in where people find their purpose.",
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"text": "Everyone has their own pursuit of what makes them happy. I’m all for people feeling they shouldn’t be forced to spend certain amounts of time between work or family. If my family complained I was spending too much time at any job, I’d have readjusted. Perhaps, again being raised as a military family they were more used to dad being away from home more often. And again, they saw me a lot more often than when I was active duty.\nPlus, my kids tend to pick on me when we do spend time together anyway. Took one of my sons to a dentist visit and there was an old-fashioned CRT style TV in the waiting room that the staff said wasn’t working. So we sat there, with boring magazines, and I started telling him how those old cathode-ray tube type screens worked. He was about 14 or 15 at the time I think, sat there patiently listening. After a while he looks at me and just says, “Dad, you’re a Meeeeeegggggaaaaaaaa Neeeeeeerrrrrrrrdddd.” I loved it.\nHe’s also terrified of heights, but somehow I convinced him to go up on that old tripod rocket stand mentioned in my original post. He rode the rickety old elevator up to the platform. My wife called it the “The Tower of Terror”, old Alfred Hitchcock reference. I warned them to be careful looking down. He just stood there frozen. Showed the others all the different parts of the rocket stand up there, answered their questions. As mentioned my daughter tried to kill me running up the Stairway to Heaven together. Was rather surprised I could keep up with an 18 year old track athlete up all those flights. And we were both hurting from it later. Get back down and my son’s still standing in the same place petrified. Got him back down the elevator safely. So many wonderful stories together we wouldn’t have had otherwise. I catch them wearing their old SpaceX t-shirts still these days.",
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"text": "How is 80–120 hours a week smarter rather than harder?",
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"text": "Time flies when you’re having fun. :)\nReminds me of something I heard a long time ago, if you can find what you enjoy doing for work, you’ll never have to work a day in your life.\nThere is anything and everything to get involved with and enjoy doing for any variety of space science geek at SpaceX. Nearly every project combines the talents of multiple disciplines. There are some projects we were so excited to see come online and finish it was hard to want to call it a day. Or just forget or not care what time it was working late into the night. McGregor started charging us higher fines the later we’d do a test at night. Which was fine, they built a really nice park in town. And just look at those beautiful shock diamonds.\n\nAnd we’d always do it the smartest way possible. We’d have vendors come out and literally tell us what we would do with their products “couldn’t be done.” Our common reply was, “It’s just the SpaceX way.”",
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"text": "lol that’s why they want smarter",
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"text": "How can one possibly work for 80–120 hours per week? Like, I get that there are some workdays where you’d like to focus on a particular challenge for a few more hours on one day, but you’d be doing that every day.\nAt that point, aren’t you spending almost all waking hours commuting to work and working? That’s so foreign, in fact, in Germany it would be highly illegal to let your employees work so many hours.",
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"text": "I think I can answer that question.\nIt’s like how you Europeans lecture us about bread. You tell us that we have no idea what real bread is, since all we know is that over-sugared over-processed crap that is in our supermarkets. How could we possibly eat that bread, all day, every day, without getting tired of it?\nWell, SpaceX is like that real, fresh European bread. The “work” that we think we know, in Corporate America (I don’t know about Corporate Europe), that stale, crusty, abomination that doesn’t care about you, that only cares about the almighty dollar, that almighty “shareholder value”, of course you can’t work that 80 hours a week, every week.\nBut SpaceX is different. SpaceX is like that guy who worked 60 hours non-stop to make the first product for their startup. SpaceX is like when you finally ride your bike the first time, like when the Wright Flyer finally nosed up into that fresh, clear, air, above the dunes of Kitty Hawk, that first time ever.\nSpaceX isn’t work. It’s the dream.\nSo I’m not surprised at all he can spend 80 hours a week, to be part of that.",
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"text": "Thanks for sharing, Joel!",
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"text": "Fascinating life. I loved the phrase, “…bleeding edge R&D.” It says it all.",
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"text": "I live in Australia right now, I am 16 years old and planning to go to Uni and study physics/engineering. Would it be possible for me to later work for SpaceX or NASA? And which degrees/skills would I need?",
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"text": "You’ll have to be a U.S. Citizen to work for SpaceX Maxim, it’s what’s called an ITAR facility since the rocket technology could be weaponized. But I do believe NASA has international partnership programs you could look into. NASA - Internships and Fellowships\nAs far as specific education degrees I’d recommend doing what excites you the most. They have a very wide variety of education paths and many employees don’t always work in the field they went to school for. My undergrad for example shifted several times between software engineering, chemical engineering, and eventually back to software engineering focusing more on 3-dimensional graphics and physics engines and artificial intelligence. SpaceX hired me because of my aviation electronics and video engineering experience outside of my degree. And I’ve also known fellows who were hired at SpaceX as their first job out of college. Many of the supervisors and managers don’t even have college educations but are still hired based on their experience.\nSo I would say any particular degree path may help, but certainly a well-rounded collection of skills for the area you wish to contribute. As an engineer you’ll want to be as diverse in knowledge as you possibly can. We’d have electrical engineers helping figure out mechanical engineering problems and vice versa while the software guys needed to also understand the physics of both of those fields in order to know how to make the operation systems work as everyone needed. And then of course everyone relied on the video guys to verify what did and didn’t work!\nOne of the main things they do during their hiring process is have you write a short essay of your top projects in your career, school or prior job experience. So whatever field of your choice you want to start in, try to do as many epic and amazing projects you can write about later. That’s what will probably help get you looked at the most. Show your creativity and willingness to think outside of what school can teach.",
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"text": "Thank you so much for sharing",
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"text": "Awesome! I have conducted unofficial polls as I have worked with a wide variety of people at different NASA centers (scientists, engineers, & educators). It nearly universal; practically everyone calls it “their favorite job.”\nI grew up on the spacecoast during Gemini and Apollo missions. Our parents worked crazy hours, but everyone involved seemed to share the same vision. Decades later, my husband worked at KSC from STS 93–126. The entire family loved having him involved, and we came along every chance we got. It was his favorite. job.ever. When I got the opportunity to work at KSC a few years ago, he cheered me on. It was exhausting, and my time with the family absolutely took a hit, but everyone understood. I loved it, and they were thrilled for me. I was working to achieve the work/life balance that everyone talks about, but hadn’t gotten there yet. If my contract hadn’t died in budget cuts, I might still be there.",
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"text": "Why do we need SpaceX? How does that benefit every of us - the regular individuals?",
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